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Watch Ellen DeGeneres learn all about what it means to be gender-nonbinary from Asia Kate Dillon

Ellen DeGeneres and Asia Kate Dillon were part of a landmark television segment earlier today.

After a brief greeting, DeGeneres dove right in an asked the Billions star about being gender-nonbinary both in life and on the show.

‘Non-binary is a term used by some people – myself included – who experience their gender identity as falling somewhere outside the boxes of man or woman,’ Dillon explained.

DeGeneres, fully embracing this as a teachable moment, then asked about pronouns and gender at birth and admitted it is confusing and seems grammatically incorrect.

Dillon uses the singular ‘they, them, their’ pronouns and said ‘I was assigned female at birth.’

Dillon explained the ongoing learning process after accepting the role on Billions as someone who simultaneously identifies as female and gender-nonbinary.

They had previously referred to themself as ‘queer.’

‘After doing some research, I understood, Oh, sex and identity are different,’ Dillon said. ‘Female is a sex, and sex is between our legs and gender identity is between our ears.’

As for romantic life, Dillon identified their partner as ‘a self-identified man.’

DeGeneres had to laugh.

‘I can call him he? It’s really confusing and I think people assume just because I’m gay I understand all of this and I don’t,’ she admitted.

Said Dillon: ‘It’s a learning process for us too so of course it’s going to be a learning process for everyone as well.’



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